mitnick-digest Tuesday, December 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 230 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:06:57 -0500 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records The U.S. Marshalls wanted poster reads as follows: WANTED BY U.S. MARSHALS NOTE TO ARRESTING AGENCY: Before arrest, validate warrant through National Crime Information Center (NCIC). United States Marshals Service NCIC entry number: (NIC/W721460021). - ------- Name: ...........Mitnick, Kevin David AKS (S):.........Mitnik [sic], Kevin David Merrill, Brian Allen - ------ Description: Sex: Male Race: White Place of Birth: Van Nuys, California Date(s) of Birth: 08/06/63; 10/18/70 Height: 5'11" Weight: 190 Eyes: Blue Hair: Brown Skintone: Light Scars, Marks, Tattoos: None Known Social Security Number(s): 550-39-5695 [now, when & if kevin gets out, everyone knows his ss#] NCIC Fingerprint Classification: DOPM20PM13DIPM13DIPM19PM09 - ------- Address & Locale: Known to reside in the San Fernando Valley area of California and Las Vegas, Nevada [his grandma's house] - ------- Wanted For: Violation of Supervised Release Original Charges: Possestion of Unauthroized Access Device, Computer Fraud Warrant Issued: Central District of California Warrant #: 9312-1112-0154-C Date Warrant Issued: November 10, 1992 - ------- Miscellaneous Information: Subject suffers from weight problem and may have experienced weight gain or weight loss Vehicle/Tag Information: None known. Often uses public transportation - ---end--- i think you can see it a littman's site (http://www.well.com/~jlittman/) Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: > > that is a significant difference. since i can't seem to find my copy > of fugitive game, can someone tell me if the fbi is mentioned anywhere > on that wanted poster. in fact, it would be a good idea to post all of > the text from it so we all know exactly what it says. > > emmanuel > - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: :: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:10:20 -0500 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records yea, but it's probably only a us record, because in china & shit people are in jail longer probably Joe Shambro wrote: > > emmanuel, i'm sure if you approach the GBOWR (with others doing the same) > they might consider that as a record, who knows.. > > -Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Emmanuel Goldstein > To: mitnick@2600.com > Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records > > >now that's the kind of record that might open some eyes. of course, we'll > >never see anything like that because the people at guiness wouldn't want > >to make what could be interpreted as a criticism of the government. they > >would rather malign the name of an individual who is helpless to defend > >himself. this relates to something i was trying to point out on my show > >last week - there is bias in every crevice of our society - you just have > >to look for it and it'll start screaming at you. > > > >emmanuel > > > >On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 04:17:13AM -0500, Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > >> I'm suprised he isn't in there for Longest Jail Time without a Trial :( > >> -Absolute Matter > >> > >> << it's also rather contrary to what i thought the purpose of the book > was. > >> "most notorious" is such a subjective category to even include. i was > >> under the impression they only dealt in cold hard numbers. there might > >> as well be an entry for most gullible reporter. > >> > >> emmanuel >> > > > > - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: :: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:20:41 EST From: JediHamstr@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lockdown Clock..... It's not AOL. I tried it with the standalone MSIE4 and Netscape. It works okay for you? - -Xander In a message dated 12/27/98 6:32:42 PM, cguevara@mindless.com writes: >it's probably just aol > >JediHamstr@aol.com wrote: >> >> For some reason, every time I view the Kevin Mitnick Lockdown Clock on >any >> site, it reads 2011 years, 0 months, 9 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes, 15 >seconds. >> Is it just me, because these past years seem to have just flown by! >> >> -Xander > >-- >:che guevara:: >::: >::: >::: >:: >"I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." > -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:30:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Dan Sissman wrote: # GREATEST COMPENSATION FOR WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT # # Isadore Zimmerman (1917-83) of NY spent 24 years in prison before his # conviction for murdering a cop was overturned becasue of new evidence. On his # release at age 66 he was awarded $1 million, which is equivalent to $42,000 for # each year he spent in prison. But, after legal fees and expenses, he ended up # with only 60 percent of the million. Zimmerman decided not to appeal the award, # snd died a little more than a year later. Interesting that 24 years wrongful imprisonment gets a smaller award than spilling hot coffee on yourself. - -- It shall be unlawful for any suspicious person to be within the municipality. -- Local ordinance, Euclid Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:32:39 EST From: NegatveZr0@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] very off-topic-Buddism Yes, i think they do, i was born buddist, but im not anymore, but im sure they celebrate a "renewing" or cleansing once or twice a year where they lite incense and pray. Im not sure, tho. >Negative Zer0 http://welcome.to/nuclearwinterinc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:01:22 -0500 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lockdown Clock..... yeppers JediHamstr@aol.com wrote: > > It's not AOL. I tried it with the standalone MSIE4 and Netscape. It works okay > for you? > > -Xander > > In a message dated 12/27/98 6:32:42 PM, cguevara@mindless.com writes: > - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: :: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world record On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Macki wrote: > As financially difficult it may be, i say sue Guiness, get them to settle, > and use that money to sue Miramax. You can't sue Miramax, as they didn't make the movie...indirectly they did, but as it is on the record, they didn't make the movie. They're the domestic distributors. As it was explained to me, it would be like if you wrote a libelous book about me, and I sued Waldenbooks for carrying the book. An injunction could have been placed on the movie, but only by Kevin or his attorneys, and only way back when they began the movie-making process. There was also an opportunity to fuck their shit up by encouraging union folk to protest. That would have put a hole in their pockets. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:40:38 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, che guevara wrote: > no, it was a US Marshals wanted poster And wouldn't a US Marshals wanted poster qualify as a "wanted poster"? The stainless steel rat said, "yes, he has been on a wanted poster". > Nate wrote: > > > Actually, yes, he has been on a wanted poster & I'm pretty sure there's a > > picture of it in Littman's book. As for him being th first, I'm not sure. > > > > The Stainless Steel Rat <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, che guevara wrote: > yea, but it's probably only a us record, because in china & shit people > are in jail longer probably BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Man, that was funny. You just reminded me of Luther Campbell in "Banned in the U.S.A" "This isn't Russia, this isn't China, this isn't that place where they brought down the wall." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:54:31 -0500 (EST) From: Izaac Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lockdown Clock..... On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, che guevara dice: > it's probably just aol > > JediHamstr@aol.com wrote: > > > > For some reason, every time I view the Kevin Mitnick Lockdown Clock on any > > site, it reads 2011 years, 0 months, 9 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes, 15 seconds. > > Is it just me, because these past years seem to have just flown by! The script is run on the client side; which means it's your browser doing the calculations. The clock checks your local system time, and then computes accordingly. So, if the time's screwed up, "It's yer own damn fault." Fix your system clock or get a capable browser. There's nothing serverside to break. Ahh.. the magic of Java ... ___ ___ . . ___ \ / |\ |\ \ Izaac Falken _\_ /__ |-\ |-\ \__ izaac@2600.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:47:09 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Aaron D. Ball wrote: > Interesting that 24 years wrongful imprisonment gets a smaller award than > spilling hot coffee on yourself. If McDonalds Corp. ever keeps you holed up in their brig for 24 years, you might be able to get a grip more money from them. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:18:17 -0500 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records "Aaron D. Ball" wrote: > Interesting that 24 years wrongful imprisonment gets a smaller award than > spilling hot coffee on yourself. But the coffee was *really* hot! Don't all Americans enjoy the right to Life, Liberty, and Driving with Coffee Wedged Between Their Thighs Without Fear of Injury? I thought that award was ridiculous, too. Best thing I heard about it was a contest they had on the Imus show for funniest suggested instructions for a common product. The winner, suggested for McDonald's coffee, was "Warning: Contents extremely hot. Use caution when applying to groin." - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:46:44 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 01:40:38PM -0800, rOTTEN wrote: > On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, che guevara wrote: > > > no, it was a US Marshals wanted poster > > And wouldn't a US Marshals wanted poster qualify as a "wanted poster"? > > The stainless steel rat said, "yes, he has been on a wanted poster". in response to the question "was mitnick EVER on an fbi poster?" emmanuel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:53:38 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: > On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 01:40:38PM -0800, rOTTEN wrote: > > On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, che guevara wrote: > > > > > no, it was a US Marshals wanted poster > > > > And wouldn't a US Marshals wanted poster qualify as a "wanted poster"? > > > > The stainless steel rat said, "yes, he has been on a wanted poster". > > in response to the question "was mitnick EVER on an fbi poster?" The response made by the stainless steel rat didn't answer your question, so it was irrelevant. Che Guevara's correction of the irrelevent reply was even more pointless, as an analogy might be: "Hey, look, here's a cup of coffee!" "No, that's a cup of COFFEE!". My reply to Guevara was relevent only to his irrelevent reply of the stainless steel rat's post, which was not relevent to your initial question, which was, as far as I can tell, rhetorical. Replying to rhetorical questions is irrelevent. I've used the word "irrelevent" so many times in this email, that I can't even remember what it means anymore...which is completely irrelevent. Which brings everybody up to date on this thread, in case they missed it the first time around. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:17:07 -0500 From: Lisa B <71604.2431@compuserve.com> Subject: [mitnick] Lockdown Clock..... >JediHamstr@aol.com >For some reason, every time I view the Kevin Mitnick Lockdown Clock >on any site, it reads 2011 years, 0 months, 9 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes, >15 seconds. Is it just me, because these past years seem to have just >flown by! >- -Xander Thats how long it *feels* like he's been in there. :( Poor Kevin. Lets go find him and hug him. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:42:27 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world record In a message dated 98-12-27 08:11:10 EST, you write: << As financially difficult it may be, i say sue Guiness, get them to settle, and use that money to sue Miramax. >> So should We have Che make new logos saying "SUE 4 KEVIN!" ? - -AM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:44:35 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records In a message dated 98-12-27 12:49:33 EST, you write: << (Going for a new record, "Most posts on a single topic") >> No, That'd be our "Followers [hackers, misc.]" thread, that was a full month I believe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:53:04 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: guiness book of world records Somebody buy that webspace! Put a Free Kevin page there instead, gods know that if a lot of people mistype something and get another page, they'll at least be intrigued, tho you'd have to be nice enough to put a link to the REAL Guinness...unless we want something like the "Hackers Take over multiple newspaper websites" Thing. Remember? - -Absolute Matter << btw, *a lot* of people, myself included, seem to type guiness instead of guinness. i'm surprised they didn't grab guinessrecords.com as a precaution. emmanuel >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:02:23 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lockdown Clock..... In a message dated 98-12-27 19:20:31 EST, you write: << Poor Kevin. Lets go find him and hug him. >> Ya, and send him a furby, he needs someone to talk to...and I doubt he'd like those god awful "A Bug's Life" takling things....::shudder:: insects, eeewww.... ;) - -AM ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 98 22:16:28 MST From: Maras Erlenic Subject: Re: [Re: [mitnick] Lockdown Clock.....] since the script is javascript, it pulls the time off of your computer and calculates it from that. if you are getting that problem at any site with the clock, check your system date and time. owner-mitnick@phalse.2600.com wrote: > It's not AOL. I tried it with the standalone MSIE4 and Netscape. It works okay > for you? > > -Xander > > > > In a message dated 12/27/98 6:32:42 PM, cguevara@mindless.com writes: > > >it's probably just aol > > > >JediHamstr@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> For some reason, every time I view the Kevin Mitnick Lockdown Clock on > >any > >> site, it reads 2011 years, 0 months, 9 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes, 15 > >seconds. > >> Is it just me, because these past years seem to have just flown by! > >> > >> -Xander > > > >-- > >:che guevara:: > >::: > >::: > >::: > >:: > >"I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." > > -albert einstein - -Maras Kevin David Mitnick has been in jail since Feb. 15, 1995 without trial or bail hearing. He has also been denied access to the evidence being used against him. Please visit the website, get informed, and help the cause!!! http://www.kevinmitnick.com - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 http://www.geekcode.com GCS/E/P d---@ s+: a17 C++(++++)$ UL+ P+ L++>++++ E W++$ N o? K- w-- O? M-- V-- PS+ PE Y? 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The Stainless Steel Rat ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Digital Dementia h/c/p By: The Stainless Steel Rat http://members.theglobe.com/StStRt/index.htm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ******************************************************************************* FREE KEVIN MITNICK www.KevinMitnick.com ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:23:16 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lockdown Clock..... In a message dated 12/27/98 10:32:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, cguevara@mindless.com writes: > it's probably just aol Actually its not.... The lockdown clock works just fone for me... Sounds like faulty java installation... Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lockdown Clock..... On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > Ya, and send him a furby, he needs someone to talk to...and I doubt he'd like > those god awful "A Bug's Life" takling things....::shudder:: insects, > eeewww.... The authorities won't let him have a walkman for fear he'll McGyver it into an H-bomb. I doubt they'd let him get his hands on anything as high-tech as a Furby. He could probably convert one of those into a biological warfare laboratory or something. Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:46:40 -0500 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records well, there is sort of. there is most prisoners awaiting trial: in 1997, more than 35,000 people were awaiting trial in Nigerian jails. some have been detained for more than 10 years. Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > > I'm suprised he isn't in there for Longest Jail Time without a Trial :( > -Absolute Matter - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: :: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:01:00 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: Re: [mitnick] the today show well i forgot to tape the today show this morning. did anyone else happen to see it or did anyone manage to make it down there to scope out the crowd? emmanuel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:51:22 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lockdown Clock..... nonono, as long as we don't send him any fish and foil...and McGyver needs a paperclip to do anything....furbies don't come with paperclips....but we could smuggle one inside the beak. ::rocking back and forth like a madman:: yes yessssss, de furbie will free him, yes, YES YES THE FURBY DYNASTY SHALL COME TO POWER!! ::slap outta no where:: oh what? Sorry, my bad. ;) - -AM << The authorities won't let him have a walkman for fear he'll McGyver it into an H-bomb. I doubt they'd let him get his hands on anything as high-tech as a Furby. He could probably convert one of those into a biological warfare laboratory or something. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:13:27 -0500 (EST) From: compex@earthling.net Subject: [mitnick] unsubscribe unsubscribe - -------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://whowhere.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:32:28 PST From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT Chinese Hackers Get Death 8:55 a.m. Two men are condemned to death by a district court in China after rigging a bank's computer system to accept phony deposits, then withdrawing the cash. http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/17039.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: Roger Harrison - ACM2 Admin Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT They aren't even hackers. I'd call them crackers. They are just stealing plain and simple. If anyone could make the distinction I'd think Wired would and could. I guess not. :( - -Iconoclast On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Kevin Joubert wrote: > Chinese Hackers Get Death > > 8:55 a.m. Two men are condemned to > death by a district court in China after > rigging a bank's computer system to > accept phony deposits, then withdrawing > the cash. > > http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/17039.html > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:53:19 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] An Idea I know we decided hacking webpages=bad publicity...but i'll tell you one thing, You hack www.AmericanKnights.com and yes you'll have the entire KKK hate you, but i seriously doubt they'll play a big part in keeping kevin in prison. i mean, thats almost as good as hacking a *.iq address, (which i don't think would be worth it....not now anyway...). Agh, just a thought, maybe i'm up too late... - -Absolute Matter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:57:17 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT That doesn't matter really...i mean DEATH? Jeez they act as if it's High Treason... - -AM << They aren't even hackers. I'd call them crackers. They are just stealing plain and simple. If anyone could make the distinction I'd think Wired would and could. I guess not. :( -Iconoclast >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Roger Harrison - ACM2 Admin wrote: > They aren't even hackers. I'd call them crackers. They are just stealing > plain and simple. If anyone could make the distinction I'd think Wired > would and could. I guess not. :( > -Iconoclast Even "crackers" would be a stretch. Seems to me that they're just thieves, with no special skills. Might have even been an inside job.. You wouldn't call a government worker a "cracker" for skimming off parking meters, would ya? hehe. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:39:19 -0500 (EST) From: Roger Harrison - ACM2 Admin Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT well the point is important. But i do agree with you that death does seem a little extreme according to our standards. I mean to say that, we should call them crackers because by definition what a cracker does is illegal and could wind them up in jail. But a hacker on the other hand doesn't have to commit any crimes to be a hacker.. and yet he still might find himself in jail like Mitnick... On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > That doesn't matter really...i mean DEATH? Jeez they act as if it's High > Treason... > > -AM > > << They aren't even hackers. I'd call them crackers. They are just stealing > plain and simple. If anyone could make the distinction I'd think Wired > would and could. I guess not. :( > -Iconoclast > >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 03:25:55 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT so what happens when something that is perfectly legal and normal today, like possession of electronic parts or listening to a certain radio frequency, becomes illegal tomorrow? do you magically turn into a "cracker" overnight? part of the danger of creating a word like this is that it makes the rest of society numb as to how absurd the situation really is. sure, call someone a criminal who's being a criminal but if what they are doing is not *perceived* as being criminal in itself, most people will reject the categorization. but label everyone with one blanket word who is deemed unacceptable in a particular community, a word that implies a crime in itself, and most people won't make the effort to find out what it really means. call someone a criminal and people will ask what crime he committed. call someone a cracker and they will say nothing because cracking will be perceived as a crime in itself. using that word makes it so much easier to condemn a large number of people. the people who say kevin is a cracker almost invariably believe he should be in jail. whereas those who use the word hacker are aware that hacking can cover a lot of ground. true, there are those who blanketly condemn all hacking as bad but they seem to be in the minority by far. call someone a hacker and it usually leads to more questions as well. from the answers, people can draw their own conclusions as to the subject's designation. and why anyone would think wired could understand this is beyond me. emmanuel On Tue, Dec 29, 1998 at 02:39:19AM -0500, Roger Harrison - ACM2 Admin wrote: > > well the point is important. But i do agree with you that death does seem > a little extreme according to our standards. I mean to say that, > we should call them crackers because by definition what a cracker does is > illegal and could wind them up in jail. But a hacker on the other hand > doesn't have to commit any crimes to be a hacker.. and yet he still might > find himself in jail like Mitnick... > > > On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > > > That doesn't matter really...i mean DEATH? Jeez they act as if it's High > > Treason... > > > > -AM > > > > << They aren't even hackers. I'd call them crackers. They are just stealing > > plain and simple. If anyone could make the distinction I'd think Wired > > would and could. I guess not. :( > > -Iconoclast > > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 04:07:34 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT i forgot to include something in that last post that was pretty relevant. most countries in the civilized world have abolished the death penalty. but there are a number who still execute people. the united states is the *only industrialized nation* that is increasing its use and recent legislation has called for it to be applied to crimes other than murder, such as drug importing. it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to see where this could head. check out www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/dp to learn more. emmanuel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:02:30 -0300 From: spyd Subject: [mitnick] unsubscribe unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:22:26 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT Damn, I hate having to manually edit the 2nd mitnic@2600.com out when I hit the reply all button. Why do I hit the reply all, instead of reply? so everyone can see who I am replying to,,, Eudora places "you wrote:" instead of "Emmanuel wrote",, in this particular case,, So who admins this list anyway??? At 03:25 AM 12/29/98 -0500, Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: >so what happens when something that is perfectly legal and normal today, >like possession of electronic parts or listening to a certain radio >frequency, owning certain types of firearms/owning firearms, or exercising other constitutional rights, such as freedom of assembly,,,, been to any unwatched 2600 meetings lately??? >becomes illegal tomorrow? do you magically turn into a >"cracker" overnight? Wouldn't this be a hallmark of unconstitutinal law? (that is rhetorical to the list, not a slight to you, Emmanuel) >part of the danger of creating a word like this is >that it makes the rest of society numb as to how absurd the situation >really is. One option, albeit fraught with peril, is to invent another word that when defined, illustrates sheeple and their bleeting. A former shipmate fronted the word "pagwat" back in the late 80s as a word without a set definition. It could be improved upon,,, >most people won't make the effort to >find out what it really means. sheeple mentality. try to educate it away, contend with it, ignore it at your own peril. >and why anyone would think wired could understand this is beyond me. the wired 'zine writer herd is competent enough to produce a monthly rag on a set timeline. to sheeple, this means they are reputable, reliable, trustworthy, as trustworthy as the shepherd and his dog that bites if you are on the fringe (of the herd). >emmanuel Reeza! ============================================================================ The affairs of Men rarely rely on the dictates of logic, or even common sense. "Yeah, they mostly rely on something below the belt." -- my older sister "Shhhhh. You're flooding my inbox with crap. How about giving it a rest for a bit? I know you're probably bored wherever you are, but please." -- krys ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:34:57 -0800 From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" Subject: Re: [mitnick] An Idea - -----Original Message----- From: Phoenxknt@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 11:03 PM Subject: [mitnick] An Idea >You hack www.AmericanKnights.com and yes you'll have the entire KKK hate you, >but i seriously doubt they'll play a big part in keeping kevin in prison. And if you're non-white or non-Christian, what's the difference anyway? ;) | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com | Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:53:59 -0800 From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com | Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- - -----Original Message----- From: Reeza! To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT >Damn, I hate having to manually edit the 2nd mitnic@2600.com out when I hit >the reply all button. Why do I hit the reply all, instead of reply? so >everyone can see who I am replying to,,, Eudora places "you wrote:" instead >of "Emmanuel wrote",, in this particular case,, I'm sending this particular bit to the list because a lot of people have this problem and it's not very well documented. If you don't need it, perhaps you might do the public service of filing it away for future reference in case someone you know does. Or then again you might not. In EUDORA.INI, under the [Settings] heading, there is a "ReplyAttribution" setting which normally does not exist unless you put it there; it defaults to "At %1, you wrote:" but if you replace "you" with "%2" you'll get the name of the sender. So in other words, close Eudora, open EUDORA.INI, and immediately under the [Settings] line add: ReplyAttribution=At %1, %2 wrote: ...or whatever else you want to say there. >One option, albeit fraught with peril, is to invent another word that when >defined, illustrates sheeple and their bleeting. I still say we should call crackers "Cheese Wiz" :) >the wired 'zine writer herd is competent enough to produce a monthly rag on >a set timeline. This gives folks too much credit for discerning taste. Basically, the Wired writers have been published. It doesn't matter where or when or by who. This makes them Somebody. And most folks are Nobody. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:25:26 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: [mitnick] Fw: mole - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For god's sake, look at this message...I e-mailed Ron Austin about the "mole" issue...here's what i got back. He's one sore sonuvabitch. jackdarippa - - -----Original Message----- From: The Garbageman To: jackdarippa Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 3:14 AM Subject: Re: mole >At 01:09 AM 12/29/1998 -0600, you wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >I'm glad you signed this. Hate to think this is not the "real" jackdarippa. > > >>Ron, >> >>What's the deal with the whole issue of you having been a mole in the >>one-time mitnick/sherman defense team? I heard lots of publicity from >>poulsen, and tons on the mitnick mailing list about >>this...Do you have any comments? (no, i'm not a reporter, i sure as >>hell don't sound like one, just wondering tho) >> >>jackdarippa > >Tons? One of these day's I'm going to get on that list. I'm not a "mole". > I am an "informant". I "informed" on Mitnick. I ratted him out. I told >the FBI I was talking to him and even taped phone calls between us. >Unfortunately, I think he knew I was taping him so all he would talk about >was how innocent he was. He even volunteered for the Peace Corp at one >point. I shit you not. I am meeting with the prosecutor in a couple of >weeks. I have called Mitnick's attorney and invited him to attend. He's >going to "think about it". That alone should be enough for Mitnick to dump >the guy. Anyhow, if I'm all Mitnick has to worry about, you should see him >out in about four months. As for Poulsen, if that guy is still talking >about me, I'm going to have to stomp his "gone straight", "I'm a trendy >computer journaist now", "middle of the road - piss no one off", "hip hop" >(see Wired this month) ass the next time I come across him (which will >probably be January 4th, 1999 if he attends Justin Petersen's sentencing >hearing). And I''ll be wearing the boots that can do it! > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use >> >>iQA/AwUBNoiAGdpIpYADgVGcEQKCLACgw9hhtZ7PfLR5XQwGIYMI87BIx94An1bF >>HcjKnUKYF5opZY8HzPdBZAAo >>=VNZA >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNokQhtpIpYADgVGcEQLkNQCffT4An+ndwL9iFxnYulIbRItuDZwAoJ8N Bb+pLuB6hfVxQ9G6zKjT49a/ =cGr9 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:13:29 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT I hold steadfastly to my position that we cannot inflict our notion of what is right or wrong on other countries. Besides, it's not like there's any shortage of Chinese in China. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:54:07 -0800 (PST) From: Happy Toothpaste Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, rOTTEN wrote: > I hold steadfastly to my position that we cannot inflict our notion of > what is right or wrong on other countries. Isn't that just ethical cultural relativism? We've already determined that some interference is assuredly for the better (ie modern medicine, education, etc) ... can we not also say that there are certain basic principles (not absolute, but common to the best interests of humanity, or perhaps more) which everyone should adhere to if at all possible? > Besides, it's not like there's any shortage of Chinese in China. > > That's obviously not the point, regardless of how true it is ;) - - mekhet - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzZpFVAAAAEEAL8yO+r+L2o4w6/YnwTFIODqcHyrfJ7LwHEH647B5dkW6l9j cyS/IB9LkiyHA/c24jo78HOIoNmuPLXpt72VzJYCK/e2ndAALiyvfQk5ymyeLUtq g8MOd1U9o5qC1pWbGa+hz9uzHPSyI+KAbR4m3NtsheV8q72MInEsuJHRTg7dAAUR tCNIYXBweSBUb290aHBhc3RlIDxtZWtoZXRAc29uaWMubmV0Pg== =wuwL - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:53:29 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHECK THIS SHIT OUT On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Happy Toothpaste wrote: > > I hold steadfastly to my position that we cannot inflict our notion of > > what is right or wrong on other countries. > > Isn't that just ethical cultural relativism? Who knows? More importantly, who cares? > We've already determined that some interference is assuredly for the > better (ie modern medicine, education, etc) ... can we not also say that > there are certain basic principles (not absolute, but common to the best > interests of humanity, or perhaps more) which everyone should adhere to if > at all possible? No. Apparantly, in China, embezzlement and/or fraud is punishable by death. Sucks to be a thief in China. Sucks to be a Mitnick in America. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #230 *****************************