mitnick-digest Wednesday, October 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 181 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:00:16 -0700 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet On 12:06 AM 10/20/98 -0500, I personally witnessed terje jumping up to say: > >no offense but you know what this was an offer of someone who wants to help >let them....why criticize their language...i mean hell the english language >is one of the more obscure languages to learn. I'd like to repeat the following, because it seems vaguely important. "Lest I be misunderstood, let me clarify that I don't actually oppose the creation of a Russian Mitnick list -- and hell, if someone wants to start such a thing, who are we to stop him anyway? -- but it just got me to thinking about languages and the internet in general." I'd also like to reiterate the OPEN QUESTION below: "When we start and operate mailing lists like this one, is it reasonable and acceptable to demand that everyone on it speak English?" No offense, but I did sort of hope people would READ those parts. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- As the fire burneth a wood, and the flame setteth the mountains on fire; So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. - ---------------------------[ Psalms, 83:14-15 ]--------------------------- Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "Hell, you don't Darklock Communications | know me." FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:41:27 -0700 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet On 03:32 PM 10/20/98 -0700, I personally witnessed hugh field jumping up to say: > >Typical Americans: Our's is the best, so why should we learn something >else. Actually it's more like "Ours is all we know and we are neither smart enough nor industrious enough to go learn another one." Anyone who considers English the 'best' language is smoking something. Somehow I have the idea that this is going to become a huge mess and everyone's going to blame it on me. I actually wasn't trying to start any sort of language war here, and I'd appreciate it if people would at least note that I didn't sign up as the poster boy for one-world-one-language. I *like* other languages. I don't want them done away with; if the world didn't have Welsh Gaelic and Portuguese in it, it would be a much poorer planet. (Maybe we could get rid of German. I don't think many people would miss it.) All I was saying was, IS IT REASONABLE to demand that a single language be used across the internet? I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to go learn language X to participate in some forum, but that cuts both ways. It's not fair for us to start an English list and lock all the Russians out, but it's also not fair for the Russians to start their own list and lock the English-speaking people out. So the question, which I seem to be repeating an awful lot, is not whether Smoke should start his Russian language list -- it's whether the internet should have an "official" language in the first place, and what exactly having such an "official" language would mean to the world at large. I am NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION. I am still thinking about it. I don't know the answer. I don't know that there actually *is* an answer. Hell, maybe nobody gives a damn in the first place. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- As the fire burneth a wood, and the flame setteth the mountains on fire; So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. - ---------------------------[ Psalms, 83:14-15 ]--------------------------- Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "Hell, you don't Darklock Communications | know me." FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:32:37 -0500 From: "XxGaLxX" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet > > As to the writer who called the English language "obscure" - poor word > choice. A better one would have been "difficult," "challenging," or > "insanely complicated." > > ~hugh field (DarkJedi) hey and also we never know his first language could maybe not be English...which might be why he picked that word choice. GaL ******************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:31:28 GMT From: squatex@fdt.net (John Barleycorn) Subject: Re: [mitnick] irc On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:08:47 EDT, Antboy23@aol.com shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing speeds: >i'm sure this has been asked countless thousands of times, but could one of >you kind souls post an irc server with channels on this subject. > >thank you > >ANTBOY I just mentioned this last week i think: #freekevinmitnick on newnet (/server irc.aohell.org). Stop on by! dc.... squatex@fdt.net FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:47:35 GMT From: squatex@fdt.net (John Barleycorn) Subject: Re: [mitnick] another display of justice in america On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:45:43 -0400, Emmanuel Goldstein shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing speeds: >CHICAGO (CNN) -- Two white men >accused of brutally beating a >13-year-old black child who ventured >into their neighborhood pleaded guilty >to reduced charges Monday and were >let off with probation and community >service. > >Victor Jasas, 18, and Michael >Kwidzinski, 21, had been charged with >attempted first-degree murder and other offenses in the 1997 attack that left >Lenard Clark brain-damaged. > >The original charges could have carried 30 years in prison; instead the men >pleaded guilty to aggravated battery and received 30 months probation. Thats disgusting. Makes me physically ill thinking about it. If it were my child the legal system would be the least of their worries. Things like this really put into perspective the scope of whats wrong with the legal system in this country. Wasting time, money, and prison cells on harmless, nonviolent offenders while dangerous criminals go free. Jez, are we ever going to get our priorties straight??? dc.... squatex@fdt.net FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:11:58 -0400 From: "Bachrach" Subject: Re: [mitnick] irc - -----Original Message----- From: Antboy23@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 6:38 PM Subject: [mitnick] irc >i'm sure this has been asked countless thousands of times, but could one of >you kind souls post an irc server with channels on this subject. Any EFnet server, there's #2600, @2601 (last I checked #2600 was taken over again.) #kevinmitnick, #offthehook, #freekevin ... uhhh, that's all I can think of. Anyway, here are some that I use: (basically the only one's whose names can remember off hand). irc.cs.cmu.edu irc.ais.net irc.lightning.net since you're using AOL you should try irc02.irc.aol.com first though, I think AOL likes you to do everything through them. (they have more control of your life that way) also, check in the mIRC setup box, it has a ton - ----------------------------------- | are you helping distributed.net to crack RC-5 64 encryption? you should be. | are you on distributed.net and on team #39, cracking for kevin? you should be. - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:46:33 -0700 From: The Bri Man Subject: Re: [mitnick] access At 15:38 10/20/98 , you wrote: >can someone tell me that if i access my school's network from my home >computer using either my assigned id or 'guest', would that be illegal? >-- >|-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----| > >|"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World >War IV | >| will be fought with sticks and >stones." | >|--------------------------[ Albert Einstein >]---------------------------------| >|che guevara | I know >you've | >|che guevara's realm | come to kill >me. | >|FREE KEVIN! | Shoot, coward, >you're | >|aim: | only going to >kill a | >|irc (efnet): | man"-Che >Guevara | >|-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----| > Well, it depends on the case, what you use it for, and permissions from admin's, etc. It wouldnt be illegal, unless it is for somthing destructive or like gain of knowlege. But hey, it all depends on why, how, etc you log in to the network... *BRaiN KaNDy* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:35:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: % I'd also like to reiterate the OPEN QUESTION below: % % "When we start and operate mailing lists like this one, is it reasonable % and acceptable to demand that everyone on it speak English?" % % No offense, but I did sort of hope people would READ those parts. I'm probably one of the people you were talking about. I must confess that I was working from memory when I replied, since I'm currently about 6 miles and the wrong end of a dialup PPP connection away from the machine my copy of your original message currently lives on. I misremembered your specific intent. Nevertheless, for the reasons stated before, *I* believe that English is the language of choice by virtue of (a) its role as lingua franca[0] in the world at large (b) its unrivaled variety of expression (c) the fact that the Internet was born in the US and grew outward to include the rest of the world and probably some other reasons I'm not thinking of right now. That doesn't mean other languages aren't good; I really like German (ahem, Caliban), Russian, Perl, and many others for reasons that range from the aesthetic to the practical. But it does mean that English should be (and, coincidentally, it *is*) the default and canonical language for general discourse, and that other languages should be secondary in any situation that is not local to a non-English-speaking country. What's more, in the Mitnick case, the country of origin is an English-speaking one. In this specific context, it seems straightforwardly correct to assert that yes, it is "reasonable and acceptable to demand that everyone on [the list] speak English". Other lists can be made for other languages, and even translation gateways established between them, but it is to be expected that the majority of people on this list have only English in common, and therefore have no use for posts in any other language. [0] Yes, I am aware of the three-way irony of this phrase in this context. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet This thread is quite off-topic and should die. On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, hugh field wrote: % Typical Americans: Our's is the best, so why should we learn something % else. Realise that the English language uses a larger vocabulary than % any other language in the world, has the most confusing syntax, % spelling, and pronunciation, and follows none of its own rules % consistantly. % % As to the writer who called the English language "obscure" - poor word % choice. A better one would have been "difficult," "challenging," or % "insanely complicated." English is a lot like Perl after loading some overload-heavy modules: many redundant means of expression, highly context-dependent, and immensely powerful and interesting as a result. It is *not* "inconsistent" or "difficult" -- as any developmental linguist can tell you, children brought up to speak English take no longer to learn it than do other children, on average. Europeans learning English and English-speakers learning European languages both have a lot of trouble, because the two sets of languages are very different; for example, the role a word is playing in an English sentence is not necessarily marked by a variation in the word itself, whereas European languages tend to use mark case with endings. "English" also includes a huge variety of very distinct dialects differentiated by region, class, and ethnic origin, so there's a lot more for a foreigner to learn. But English is not an especially evil language. Anyway, the sorta point of this thread was, I believe, that (according to Caliban) it makes more sense for the Russian fellow to learn English than for us to translate or him to start a breakaway mailing lest. I think a more reasonable idea on that front would be one like that used for Linux documentation and troubleshooting: bilingual people/automatic translators translate the docs (e.g., www.kevinmitnick.com) for the benefit of their less-linguistically-inclined countrymen, and correspondence is conducted in English whenever possible and the other languages when not. The implicit idea is that English is the de-facto standard, and other languages represent deprecated legacies to be accommodated but phased out. My unabashed chauvinism is, IMO, justified by the fact that English beats the pants off any other language for general variety of expression and for extensibility; this comes from the fact that it borrows freely from every major language on the globe not only vocabulary, but grammatical constructions and means of constructing new words. In other words, English is superior for the same reasons Perl is -- hence my analogy above. A large vocabulary is a Good Thing -- you can get by with a small segment, but you can say a lot more if you learn more. Small vocabularies mean you just get by, no matter what. Done now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:21:17 EDT From: Netizen007@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] another display of justice in america That is a perfect example of what is fucked up in this country. A little 13-year-old kid almost gets beaten to death, and his two attackers get walk around freely. Not to mention this is a hate crime motavated by race. This makes me sick to my stomach, I am not proud to by an American, I am a shamed of this country's legal policies and what we do to other countries and their people. This form of government most stop now, all of us must take responsibility before change can happen. Many people will say that change is not possible because of the US GOV. size and power, but I remember reading, in their books, about the American Rev. A time when America actually stood for something halfway decent. Sometimes I wonder if we are any better then the 3rd Reich. If we look at history change has come from major peaceful and very public protests, like the actions of Martin Luther King, and the Women's Rights Movement. We must make public stands and protests like what 2600 did at Miramax. If the protests are peaceful they cannot stop us!!!! Groups like the WRL (War Resistance League) are doing this and have been doing this for 50+ years. The ability for change lies within all of us, lets make change happen!!!! FREE KEVIN PEACE Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:42:36 -0400 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] USA Report [Rights For All] - Amnesty InterNational I don't know, but they're aware of the situation. A while ago, the coordinator for the US northeastern region was a guest on a local phone-in radio show. I called in and mentioned the Mitnick case, and he said I should contact him after the show with more details. I e-mailed him a copy of the 4th of July flyer, and he responded, saying he'd pass it along to headquarters in London. I don't know if they've decided to get involved, but the more people contact them, the better. Tim O'Neill wrote: > Ever since I found out about this case, my first thought was: Where's > Amnesty in all of this? - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:41:41 +0000 From: kerry Subject: Re: [mitnick] another display of justice in america If any of you all have other examples of blatant criminal injustices like this that are online somewhere, please start sending me the URLs so I can link them from a page on Kevin's site... Netizen007@aol.com wrote: > That is a perfect example of what is fucked up in this country. A little > 13-year-old kid almost gets beaten to death, and his two attackers get walk > around freely. Not to mention this is a hate crime motavated by race. This > makes me sick to my stomach, I am not proud to by an American, I am a shamed > of this country's legal policies and what we do to other countries and their > people. This form of government most stop now, all of us must take > responsibility before change can happen. Many people will say that change is > not possible because of the US GOV. size and power, but I remember reading, in > their books, about the American Rev. A time when America actually stood for > something halfway decent. Sometimes I wonder if we are any better then the > 3rd Reich. If we look at history change has come from major peaceful and very > public protests, like the actions of Martin Luther King, and the Women's > Rights Movement. We must make public stands and protests like what 2600 did > at Miramax. If the protests are peaceful they cannot stop us!!!! Groups like > the WRL (War Resistance League) are doing this and have been doing this for > 50+ years. The ability for change lies within all of us, lets make change > happen!!!! > > FREE KEVIN > > PEACE > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:59:41 -0400 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet By no means is rOTTEN "typical". hugh field wrote: > Typical Americans: Our's is the best, so why should we learn something > > rOTTEN wrote: - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:26:44 -0400 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] another display of justice in america Netizen007@aol.com wrote: > That is a perfect example of what is fucked up in this country. A little > 13-year-old kid almost gets beaten to death, and his two attackers get walk > around freely. Not to mention this is a hate crime motavated by race. This No argument here. > something halfway decent. Sometimes I wonder if we are any better then the > 3rd Reich. (Godwin's Law rides again. . .) Um, yes, we are. If you have any doubts on this point, you either know about some heavy misdeeds by the U.S. government that the rest of us haven't heard of, or you need to learn more about World War II. Sure, Kevin Mitnick has been held a long time, had his constitutional rights violated, etc., but he hasn't yet been turned into a lampshade or a bar of soap. The guards at MDC haven't raided his mouth to get at the precious metals in his dental fillings. Hackers haven't been exterminated with Zyklon-B. I don't mean to claim that the US hasn't done some awful things, just that comparing us to the Nazi regime is like comparing the average highway speeder to Charles Manson. - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:49:16 EDT From: Netizen007@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] another display of justice in america What I meant was there ideas towards government and power, not talking about haulocuast at all I am talking about the political group called the Nazis. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:39:49 +0300 From: "-smOke-" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet - ---------- > От: XxGaLxX > Кому: mitnick@2600.com > Тема: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet > Дата: 21 октября 1998 г. 1:14 > > > > ---------- > > From: rOTTEN > > To: mitnick@2600.com > > Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet > > Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 1:37 AM > > > > On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, terje wrote: > > > > > no offense but you know what this was an offer of someone who wants to > help > > > let them....why criticize their language...i mean hell the english > language > > > is one of the more obscure languages to learn. > > > > > > > > > terje > > > > The English language is by no means "obscure". > > > I think what he means is that it is one of the hardest languages to learn. > Which in Hm! I don't think so! There is most hardest languages to learn! For example Chinese or Russian! Try to learn few words!!!! Bye-bye! - -smOke- smoke@royal.net http://smOke.CyberPunk.Ru *****Under Construction***** Alternative e-mail adress: lighthousekeeper@bigfoot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:47:13 +0300 From: "-smOke-" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet I want to start my own list for those, who don't speak English! If you do, you can read & write hear!! That i mean in my letter!! - ---------- > От: Caliban Tiresias Darklock > Кому: mitnick@2600.com > Тема: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet > Дата: 21 октября 1998 г. 3:00 > > On 12:06 AM 10/20/98 -0500, I personally witnessed terje jumping up to say: > > > >no offense but you know what this was an offer of someone who wants to help > >let them....why criticize their language...i mean hell the english language > >is one of the more obscure languages to learn. > > I'd like to repeat the following, because it seems vaguely important. > > "Lest I be misunderstood, let me clarify that I don't actually oppose the > creation of a Russian Mitnick list -- and hell, if someone wants to start > such a thing, who are we to stop him anyway? -- but it just got me to > thinking about languages and the internet in general." > > I'd also like to reiterate the OPEN QUESTION below: > > "When we start and operate mailing lists like this one, is it reasonable > and acceptable to demand that everyone on it speak English?" > > No offense, but I did sort of hope people would READ those parts. > > > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > As the fire burneth a wood, and the flame setteth the mountains on fire; > So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. > ---------------------------[ Psalms, 83:14-15 ]--------------------------- > Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "Hell, you don't > Darklock Communications | know me." > FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you. > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye-bye! - -smOke- smoke@royal.net http://smOke.CyberPunk.Ru *****Under Construction***** Alternative e-mail adress: lighthousekeeper@bigfoot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:52:40 +0300 From: "-smOke-" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet Это сообщение в формате MIME состоит из нескольких частей. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BDFCD8.8A5E1900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yEs!!! You understood me! - ---------- > От: Aaron D. Ball > Кому: mitnick@2600.com > Тема: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet > Дата: 21 октября 1998 г. 2:16 > > This thread is quite off-topic and should die. > > On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, hugh field wrote: > > % Typical Americans: Our's is the best, so why should we learn something > % else. Realise that the English language uses a larger vocabulary than > % any other language in the world, has the most confusing syntax, > % spelling, and pronunciation, and follows none of its own rules > % consistantly. > % > % As to the writer who called the English language "obscure" - poor word > % choice. A better one would have been "difficult," "challenging," or > % "insanely complicated." > > English is a lot like Perl after loading some overload-heavy modules: > many redundant means of expression, highly context-dependent, and > immensely powerful and interesting as a result. It is *not* > "inconsistent" or "difficult" -- as any developmental linguist can tell > you, children brought up to speak English take no longer to learn it than > do other children, on average. > > Europeans learning English and English-speakers learning European > languages both have a lot of trouble, because the two sets of languages > are very different; for example, the role a word is playing in an English > sentence is not necessarily marked by a variation in the word itself, > whereas European languages tend to use mark case with endings. "English" > also includes a huge variety of very distinct dialects differentiated by > region, class, and ethnic origin, so there's a lot more for a foreigner to > learn. But English is not an especially evil language. > > Anyway, the sorta point of this thread was, I believe, that (according to > Caliban) it makes more sense for the Russian fellow to learn English than > for us to translate or him to start a breakaway mailing lest. I think a > more reasonable idea on that front would be one like that used for Linux > documentation and troubleshooting: bilingual people/automatic translators > translate the docs (e.g., www.kevinmitnick.com) for the benefit of their > less-linguistically-inclined countrymen, and correspondence is conducted > in English whenever possible and the other languages when not. The > implicit idea is that English is the de-facto standard, and other > languages represent deprecated legacies to be accommodated but phased out. > > My unabashed chauvinism is, IMO, justified by the fact that English beats > the pants off any other language for general variety of expression and for > extensibility; this comes from the fact that it borrows freely from every > major language on the globe not only vocabulary, but grammatical > constructions and means of constructing new words. In other words, > English is superior for the same reasons Perl is -- hence my analogy > above. > > A large vocabulary is a Good Thing -- you can get by with a small segment, > but you can say a lot more if you learn more. Small vocabularies mean you > just get by, no matter what. > > Done now. Bye-bye! - -smOke- smoke@royal.net http://smOke.CyberPunk.Ru *****Under Construction***** Alternative e-mail adress: lighthousekeeper@bigfoot.com - ------=_NextPart_000_01BDFCD8.8A5E1900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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> = =CE=F2: Aaron D. Ball <abaddon@cs.umb.edu>
> =CA=EE=EC=F3: mitnick@2600.com
> =D2=E5=EC=E0: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and = the Internet
> =C4=E0=F2=E0: 21 =EE=EA=F2=FF=E1=F0=FF 1998 =E3. = 2:16
>
> <hypocrisy>This thread is quite off-topic = and should die.</hypocrisy>
>
> On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, = hugh field wrote:
>
> % Typical Americans: Our's is the = best, so why should we learn something
> % else. Realise that the = English language uses a larger vocabulary than
> % any other = language in the world, has the most confusing syntax,
> % = spelling, and pronunciation, and follows none of its own rules
> % = consistantly.
> %
> % As to the writer who called the = English language "obscure" - poor word
> % choice. A = better one would have been "difficult," = "challenging," or
> % "insanely = complicated."
>
> English is a lot like Perl after = loading some overload-heavy modules:
> many redundant means of = expression, highly context-dependent, and
> immensely powerful and = interesting as a result.  It is *not*
> = "inconsistent"  or "difficult" -- as any = developmental linguist can tell
> you, children brought up to = speak English take no longer to learn it than
> do other children, = on average.
>
> Europeans learning English and = English-speakers learning European
> languages both have a lot of = trouble, because the two sets of languages
> are very different; =  for example, the role a word is playing in an English
> = sentence is not necessarily marked by a variation in the word = itself,
> whereas European languages tend to use mark case with = endings.  "English"
> also includes a huge variety = of very distinct dialects differentiated by
> region, class, and = ethnic origin, so there's a lot more for a foreigner to
> learn. =  But English is not an especially evil language.
>
> = Anyway, the sorta point of this thread was, I believe, that (according = to
> Caliban) it makes more sense for the Russian fellow to learn = English than
> for us to translate or him to start a breakaway = mailing lest.  I think a
> more reasonable idea on that front = would be one like that used for Linux
> documentation and = troubleshooting:  bilingual people/automatic translators
> = translate the docs (e.g., www.kevinmitnick.com) for the benefit of = their
> less-linguistically-inclined countrymen, and = correspondence is conducted
> in English whenever possible and the = other languages when not.  The
> implicit idea is that = English is the de-facto standard, and other
> languages represent = deprecated legacies to be accommodated but phased out.
>
> = My unabashed chauvinism is, IMO, justified by the fact that English = beats
> the pants off any other language for general variety of = expression and for
> extensibility;  this comes from the fact = that it borrows freely from every
> major language on the globe = not only vocabulary, but grammatical
> constructions and means of = constructing new words.  In other words,
> English is = superior for the same reasons Perl is -- hence my analogy
> = above.
>
> A large vocabulary is a Good Thing -- you can = get by with a small segment,
> but you can say a lot more if you = learn more.  Small vocabularies mean you
> just get by, no = matter what.
>
> Done = now.
Bye-bye!
-smOke-
smoke@royal.net
http://smOke.CyberPunk.= Ru
*****Under Construction*****
Alternative e-mail = adress:
lighthousekeeper@bigfoot.com

- ------=_NextPart_000_01BDFCD8.8A5E1900-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:42:46 +0300 From: "-smOke-" Subject: Re: [mitnick] access All in the world is legal ! If you not catched! - ---------- > От: che guevara > Кому: mitnick@2600.com > Тема: [mitnick] access > Дата: 21 октября 1998 г. 1:38 > > can someone tell me that if i access my school's network from my home > computer using either my assigned id or 'guest', would that be illegal? > -- > |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---| > > |"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World > War IV | > | will be fought with sticks and > stones." | > |--------------------------[ Albert Einstein > ]---------------------------------| > |che guevara | I know > you've | > |che guevara's realm | come to kill > me. | > |FREE KEVIN! | Shoot, coward, > you're | > |aim: | only going to > kill a | > |irc (efnet): | man"-Che > Guevara | > |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---| > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:03:05 +0200 From: Hamburg Robbert <95100526@student.sem.hhs.nl> Subject: [mitnick] SPONSOR Please keep visiting Kevin Mitnicks sponsor on the website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8495 . Kevin will earn money for the defend fund. Currently $0.05 per click. Please don't click more than once on each banner everyday. Otherwise his account will be disabled. You can click on everything above the FREE KEVIN java applet. Please contribute we need at least a thousand clicks. Thanks and keep in touch. Robbert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, -smOke- wrote: > Hm! I don't think so! > There is most hardest languages to learn! For example Chinese or Russian! > Try to learn few words!!!! > Bye-bye! > -smOke- Das Vidania Tesucha That's all I know. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Purchase soundtrack from 'Permanent Midnight' 2) Forge in the smithy of my soul the uncreated conscience of my race. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:34:24 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] irc why newnet? it sucks when u have to be on 2 different networks at once...so why don't u move to efnet John Barleycorn wrote: > On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:08:47 EDT, Antboy23@aol.com shot across phone > lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing speeds: > > >i'm sure this has been asked countless thousands of times, but could one of > >you kind souls post an irc server with channels on this subject. > > > >thank you > > > >ANTBOY > > I just mentioned this last week i think: > #freekevinmitnick on newnet (/server irc.aohell.org). Stop on by! > dc.... > squatex@fdt.net > > FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com - -- che guevara "I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man" [Che Guevara] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:36:37 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] another display of justice in america well...actually, i thought it was Kwidzinski that was bothering the girl, Jasas told him to stop, he said no, Jasas walked away, but he knew that Kwidzinski beat the little girl...now there's a petition to kick Kwindzinski out of UC at Berkeley because he didn't tell anyone...but i might be thinking of a different case that's similair & the names above might be reversed Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: > CHICAGO (CNN) -- Two white men > accused of brutally beating a > 13-year-old black child who ventured > into their neighborhood pleaded guilty > to reduced charges Monday and were > let off with probation and community > service. > > Victor Jasas, 18, and Michael > Kwidzinski, 21, had been charged with > attempted first-degree murder and other offenses in the 1997 attack that left > Lenard Clark brain-damaged. > > The original charges could have carried 30 years in prison; instead the men > pleaded guilty to aggravated battery and received 30 months probation. - -- che guevara "I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man" [Che Guevara] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:32:07 +0300 From: "-smOke-" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet APPLAUS!!!!!!!!! It's great pleasure to see it! This means "Good bye"!!! If you don't know!!!!! Do svidaniya! - ---------- > От: rOTTEN > Кому: mitnick@2600.com > Тема: Re: [mitnick] OT: Language and the Internet > Дата: 21 октября 1998 г. 10:40 > > On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, -smOke- wrote: > > > Hm! I don't think so! > > There is most hardest languages to learn! For example Chinese or Russian! > > Try to learn few words!!!! > > Bye-bye! > > -smOke- > > Das Vidania > Tesucha > > That's all I know. > > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure > - - - - - > To do: 1) Purchase soundtrack from 'Permanent Midnight' > 2) Forge in the smithy of my soul the > uncreated conscience of my race. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:32:09 GMT From: squatex@fdt.net (John Barleycorn) Subject: Re: [mitnick] irc On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:34:24 -0400, che guevara shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing speeds: >why newnet? it sucks when u have to be on 2 different networks at once...so >why don't u move to efnet well thers alot of differnet reasons i hang on newnet. the main thing is lag. newnet is a small network and is almost totally lag free. also newnet has the best warez and mp3 scene on irc hands down. i have given some thought to linking the channel to a sister channel on efnet and dalnet with my eggy, but it will reqire some coding befor i can get it operational. anyone know if someones already written some code like that i could use? dc.... squatex@fdt.net FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #181 *****************************